[Soft-Float] - Initial Interpreter Implementation of Ps2's floating point unit specification #12001

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-12T20:12:27Z

This Pull Request implements the first take ever on real Soft-Float support in PCSX2.

This work is a combination or several efforts and researches done prior.

Credits:

https://www.gregorygaines.com/blog/emulating-ps2-floating-point-nums-ieee-754-diffs-part-1/
https://github.com/assumenothing/Tommunism.SoftFloat/tree/main
https://github.com/GitHubProUser67/MultiServer3/blob/main/BackendServices/CastleLibrary/EmotionEngine.Emulator/Ps2Float.cs
https://github.com/Goatman13/pcsx2/tree/accurate_int_add_sub
PCSX2 Team for their help and support in this massive journey.

This pull request should be tested with every games requiring a clamping/rounding mode/float patches (cf: GameDatabase).

Currently, this PR fixes on the interpreters:

This is important to note, that this implementation, while technically fixing Gran Turismo 4 and Klonoa 2, makes the games crash due to very high floats being passed in the emu code, and failing at some points later in the process. This has not yet been ironed-out.

Other than that, this sets the floor for Soft-Float in PCSX2, a long awaited contribution.

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seta-san · 2024-11-12T20:46:56Z

Does this work on the recompilers or just interpreter?

refractionpcsx2 · 2024-11-12T20:48:09Z

You should try reading the title.

…oint unit specification. This Pull Request implements the first take ever on real Soft-Float support in PCSX2. This work is a combination or several efforts and researches done prior. Credits: - https://www.gregorygaines.com/blog/emulating-ps2-floating-point-nums-ieee-754-diffs-part-1/ - https://github.com/GitHubProUser67/MultiServer3/blob/main/BackendServices/CastleLibrary/EmotionEngine.Emulator/Ps2Float.cs - https://github.com/Goatman13/pcsx2/tree/accurate_int_add_sub - PCSX2 Team for their help and support in this massive journey. This pull request should be tested with every games requiring a clamping/rounding mode (cf: GameDatabase). Currently, this PR fixes on the interpreters: - PCSX2#354 - PCSX2#11507 - PCSX2#10519 - PCSX2#8068 - PCSX2#7642 - PCSX2#5257 This is important to note, that this implementation, while technically fixing Gran Turismo 4 and Klonoa 2, makes the games crash due to very high floats being passed in the emu code, and failing at some points later in the process. This has not yet been ironed-out. Other than that, this sets the floor for Soft-Float in PCSX2, a long awaited contribution.

seta-san · 2024-11-12T20:51:02Z

You should try reading the title.

I don’t know why my brain just skimmed over that.

MrCK1 · 2024-11-12T23:33:42Z

I ran a bunch of tests for "Test Drive Unlimited" AI during the demo scene after sitting idle on the menu. No combination of settings/interpreters seems to have any effect on behavior. There must be something else going on

AmyRoxwell · 2024-11-13T04:55:20Z

I can confirm with the multiplication setting that MHG and Dos not longer have bugged bounces! (Plus the build works on linux well! [as well as running interpreter can do, of course :'D])

Shoegzer · 2024-11-13T05:01:11Z

Shouldn't this help with #2990 as well?

AmyRoxwell · 2024-11-13T05:12:18Z

Shouldn't this help with #2990 as well?

I remember seeing on the public dev channel that stuntman not longer had AI issues with this and not longer the car AI failed? it's been a while

Blackbird88 · 2024-11-13T08:37:52Z

Tourist Trophy NTSC works now too! For the first time License Tests in it work!
Requires: EE MUL/DIV

Some of the tests still don't work however.

Works

Hangs

Tokman5 · 2024-11-13T08:40:25Z

I tested the demo replays of Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero (see issue #5597 ) and noticed that the car movement in interpreter mode is now closer to the movement in recompiler mode.
However, there are still slight differences between the two, and both are far from matching the console playback.

comp.mp4

Goatman13 · 2024-11-13T09:51:24Z

Nice work!

I tested only 2 games for now. Hype Time Quest which if i remember correctly needs accurate fpu mul, and it works fine without patch.

Second game is THPS4. While here accurate VU1 add/sub fix issue which is normally fixed by VU1 rounding in database, accurate mul/div breaks game graphics. Of course, game don't need accurate VU1 mul/div to work correctly, but something seems to be off when enabled.

Accurate vu1 add/sub/sqrt:

Accurate vu1 mul/div (same place in game):

Edit: Maybe THPS4 is just passing some big float value to GS with accurate mul/div. That may not necessarily be an issue with the float operation itself.
Additionally, I tested Burnout 2 and accurate VU1 add/sub fixed issue that was previously fixed by VU1 rounding mode (white car parts).

Edit2: Freaky Flyers is fixed with accurate mul/div on VU1. Awesome! We weren't even sure if that's floating points issue until now.

The game sends some super low floats to the Mul unit. On PS2, floats with exponent zero should return zero, but this is not the case in Mul, the multiplier can work with denormals internally. I love when undocumented stuff is used by some games for their 3D engine ^^.

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-13T15:10:48Z

The Tony Hawk case is fixed, the game uses an un-documented behaviour in it's 3D engine.

The PS2 has no denormals support .... except in the Mul unit apparently.

The behaviour is now emulated properly.

Shoegzer · 2024-11-13T16:33:00Z

I remember seeing on the public dev channel that stuntman not longer had AI issues with this and not longer the car AI failed? it's been a while

@AmyRoxwell Can you provide a reference to this? There's no indication of it being fixed in #2990, and I assume the devs would have closed it if it were. In any event it involves pathing in Driver 3 as well.

weirdbeardgame · 2024-11-13T17:10:03Z

2024-11-10.14-28-32.mp4

This also affects the Fatal Frame 1 issue. Meaning this + the current GameDB patch will end up being the ultimate fix

More accurate approach to compare.

Goatman13 · 2024-11-13T18:25:53Z

#3200 is fixed when tested with b7f3806
Require accurate mul/div for FPU.
I didn't tested, but Krome studio games should profit from this pr too, ones that have patches in game db. Like Spyro, Star Wars, one of Transformers game.

ghost · 2024-11-13T19:15:33Z

This pr's EE interpreter fixes #11636 's gamedb issue.

Implements accurate SQRT options, also removes Tri-Ace hack, which isn't needed anymore on the interpreter.

AmyRoxwell · 2024-11-13T20:39:32Z

I remember seeing on the public dev channel that stuntman not longer had AI issues with this and not longer the car AI failed? it's been a while

@AmyRoxwell Can you provide a reference to this? There's no indication of it being fixed in #2990, and I assume the devs would have closed it if it were. In any event it involves pathing in Driver 3 as well.

I meant like, while using this PR, not that is has been fixed. Sorry if it was misunderstood. But if it's not mention on the PR maybe the thing it needs it's not here by this initial implementation.

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-13T20:42:35Z

Driv3r seemed fine when it was tested, Stuntman NTSC is a lot better but still can "slightly" deviate.

I suspect it is once again, the interpreter rounding/clamping values somewhere.

Shoegzer · 2024-11-13T21:34:36Z

@AmyRoxwell Ah, I understand you now. That's great news.

@GitHubProUser67 Thanks, nice to see Driv3r is looking better. Would it make sense to list these games in your OP?

It isn't accurate at all.

Fixes : PCSX2#5169 All the credits belongs to TellowKrinkle from the PCSX2 team. Also removes a useless rounding towards zero in DoAdd.

F0bes

Gave it a quick glance.
Can you use u32 and int (or even better, s32) instead of the int32_t and uint32_t typedefs?
Same for u8,u16 etc.

pcsx2/Ps2Float.cpp

pcsx2/VUops.cpp

pcsx2/Ps2Float.cpp

pcsx2/VU.h

TheLastRar

I had skimmed though this a little while ago and this was what I picked up on.

pcsx2/Ps2Float.cpp

TheLastRar · 2024-11-21T21:49:16Z

pcsx2/VUops.cpp

+	VECTOR* tmp;
 	VECTOR* dst;
 	if (_Fd_ == 0)
 		dst = &RDzero;
 	else
 		dst = &VU->VF[_Fd_];

-	if (_X) dst->i.x = VU_MACx_UPDATE(VU, vuDouble(VU->ACC.i.x) + ( vuDouble(VU->VF[_Fs_].i.x) * vuDouble(VU->VF[_Ft_].i.x))); else VU_MACx_CLEAR(VU);
-    if (_Y) dst->i.y = VU_MACy_UPDATE(VU, vuDouble(VU->ACC.i.y) + ( vuDouble(VU->VF[_Fs_].i.y) * vuDouble(VU->VF[_Ft_].i.y))); else VU_MACy_CLEAR(VU);
-    if (_Z) dst->i.z = VU_MACz_UPDATE(VU, vuDouble(VU->ACC.i.z) + ( vuDouble(VU->VF[_Fs_].i.z) * vuDouble(VU->VF[_Ft_].i.z))); else VU_MACz_CLEAR(VU);
-    if (_W) dst->i.w = VU_MACw_UPDATE(VU, vuDouble(VU->ACC.i.w) + ( vuDouble(VU->VF[_Fs_].i.w) * vuDouble(VU->VF[_Ft_].i.w))); else VU_MACw_CLEAR(VU);
+	tmp = &VU->TMP;
+	if (_X) {tmp->i.x = vuAccurateMulDiv(VU, VU->VF[_Fs_].i.x, VU->VF[_Ft_].i.x, 0); dst->i.x = VU_MACx_UPDATE(VU, vuAccurateAddSub(VU, VU->ACC.i.x, tmp->i.x, 0));} else VU_MACx_CLEAR(VU);
+	if (_Y) {tmp->i.y = vuAccurateMulDiv(VU, VU->VF[_Fs_].i.y, VU->VF[_Ft_].i.y, 0); dst->i.y = VU_MACy_UPDATE(VU, vuAccurateAddSub(VU, VU->ACC.i.y, tmp->i.y, 0));} else VU_MACy_CLEAR(VU);
+	if (_Z) {tmp->i.z = vuAccurateMulDiv(VU, VU->VF[_Fs_].i.z, VU->VF[_Ft_].i.z, 0); dst->i.z = VU_MACz_UPDATE(VU, vuAccurateAddSub(VU, VU->ACC.i.z, tmp->i.z, 0));} else VU_MACz_CLEAR(VU);
+	if (_W) {tmp->i.w = vuAccurateMulDiv(VU, VU->VF[_Fs_].i.w, VU->VF[_Ft_].i.w, 0); dst->i.w = VU_MACw_UPDATE(VU, vuAccurateAddSub(VU, VU->ACC.i.w, tmp->i.w, 0));} else VU_MACw_CLEAR(VU);


What's the reason for using a global TMP vector?
This can just be using a locally defined one, right?

ditto for the other fused ops

The reason behind the global vector is to allow for more generalised debugging when doing an FMA operation.

The use cases where it can be used, is when you don't know where you float went wrong, and it happened in an FMA instruction, so you could simply hook the global TMP and see all the values the FMA processed in between.

Ultimately you decide if it is worth or not.

I'd rather not have it personally
The less global a variable, the less trouble it causes

pcsx2/VUflags.h

More in line with the PCSX2 code-base.

TellowKrinkle

For more general design, I think PS2Float should hold the float directly, with methods to extract the pieces, rather than storing the parts separately. This would save deconstructing and then reconstructing floats to do operations like abs and negate, which really just need to and or xor with some bits.

e.g.

class PS2Float
{
public:
	u32 raw;
	constexpr explicit PS2Float(u32 raw_): raw(raw_) {}
	constexpr u32 Mantissa() const { return (raw & 0x7fffff) | 0x800000; }
	constexpr u8 Exponent() const { return (raw >> 23) & 0xff; }
	constexpr bool Sign() const { return raw >> 31; }
	constexpr PS2Float Abs() const { return { raw & 0x7fffffff }; }
	constexpr PS2Float Negate() const { return { raw ^ 0x80000000 }; }
};

(If we really want to let the compiler optimize well, we should implement add/sub/etc as static functions that take both lhs and rhs by value, then we can mark them with __attribute__((const)) and let the compiler assume they won't touch any global variables or anything, which might be important if we're hoping the compiler will hoist all those CHECK_VU_SOFT_ADDSUB checks outside of the four if statements in the VUs, though I'm still kind of doubtful that it will)

pcsx2-qt/Settings/AdvancedSettingsWidget.ui

pcsx2/FPU.cpp

TellowKrinkle · 2024-11-21T22:46:03Z

pcsx2/Ps2Float.cpp

+s32 PS2Float::clz(s32 x)
+{
+	x |= x >> 1;
+	x |= x >> 2;
+	x |= x >> 4;
+	x |= x >> 8;
+	x |= x >> 16;
+
+	return debruijn32[(u32)x * 0x8c0b2891u >> 26];
+}
+
+s32 PS2Float::BitScanReverse8(s32 b)
+{
+	return msb[b];
+}
+
+s32 PS2Float::GetMostSignificantBitPosition(u32 value)
+{
+	for (s32 i = 31; i >= 0; i--)
+	{
+		if (((value >> i) & 1) != 0)
+			return i;
+	}
+	return -1;
+}


We already have helpers for these that map to the associated cpu instructions

IIRC we're just using MS names, so int _BitScanReverse(unsigned long* const Index, const unsigned long Mask)
If you don't like the weird signature (e.g. using long instead of u32/u64), maybe update common/BitUtils.h with a nicer one instead of defining one here.

pcsx2/Ps2Float.h

pcsx2/VUops.cpp

This broke stuff on very high floats, 0x40 is an un-biased value that can't be changed from IEEE standard. We now 100% match the PS3's SPEs, but not the PS2 Div result (can be off by one bit). However, this is still way better than IEEE754.

Goatman13 · 2024-11-22T21:15:59Z

#5070 fixed with accurate VU0 Mul/Div for COP2 (require EE interpreter like Dirge of Cerberus).

bigol83 · 2024-11-22T21:28:50Z

#5070 fixed with accurate VU0 Mul/Div for COP2 (require EE interpreter like Dirge of Cerberus).

Oh, i suspected it was something like this, nice.

Here is a video

2024-11-22.22-36-21.mp4

Goatman13 · 2024-11-22T21:32:34Z

#4546 fixed with accurate VU1 Mul/Div. :)

pcsx2/CMakeLists.txt

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-23T14:40:45Z

There are 3 code styles remaining, The removal of the Global VU tpm, PCSX2's own helpers in PS2Float and improvement of the PS2Float class to store the raw float.

Applies some recommendations from the review. The next batch will come later.

Goatman13 · 2024-11-23T17:11:31Z

At some point you changed back mantissa normalization constant for Div. From 0x39 to 0x40 which is used in IEEE754.
I'm just curious if previous value was incorrect and you wanted to use 0x3F initially? I didn't test anything, just noticed that 0x39 is little bit weird here, like confused hex with decimal accidentally.
This commit: b0b65fa

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-23T17:40:07Z

I see you are well documented on the subject :) I will explain to you why this "experiment" failed.

The current Div/Sqrt system mimic the PS3 SPEs (I have more experience with that system), and they uses a IEEE "like" divisor that allowed me to test what is closer to PS2 hardware. Their rounding normalization is exactly using IEEE value from the tests I did.

The PS2 Div is a mess, they round to nearest by default, but their "rounding" is completely custom. So I took the PS3 hardware as a basis and tried to "lower" the rounding delta to see what is closer to PS2 hardware, 0x39 seemed fine, but in actual fact, that was a hack.

Changing this value introduced a slight BIAS in the result, which can affect high floats values and makes them incorrect. 0X3F was still "too high" so to speak.

Current Div/Sqrt system is exactly like a PS3 emulating the PS2 in therms of results, which means way closer (and fixes the VAST majority of games), but still one bit off in some edge cases.

Add/Sub/Mul are PS2 perfect.

seta-san · 2024-11-23T19:20:43Z

I see you are well documented on the subject :) I will explain to you why this "experiment" failed.

The current Div/Sqrt system mimic the PS3 SPEs (I have more experience with that system), and they uses a IEEE "like" divisor that allowed me to test what is closer to PS2 hardware. Their rounding normalization is exactly using IEEE value from the tests I did.

The PS2 Div is a mess, they round to nearest by default, but their "rounding" is completely custom. So I took the PS3 hardware as a basis and tried to "lower" the rounding delta to see what is closer to PS2 hardware, 0x39 seemed fine, but in actual fact, that was a hack.

Changing this value introduced a slight BIAS in the result, which can affect high floats values and makes them incorrect. 0X3F was still "too high" so to speak.

Current Div/Sqrt system is exactly like a PS3 emulating the PS2 in therms of results, which means way closer (and fixes the VAST majority of games), but still one bit off in some edge cases.

Add/Sub/Mul are PS2 perfect.

Can’t argue with Sony’s own solution. Sounds like a great comment to document the solution.

GitHubProUser67 · 2024-11-23T22:31:30Z

I would say the main issue came from the fact it was widely assumed the PS2 and PS3 shared the same "float" calculation behaviours, while in actual fact, they do not.

The IBM floats, even if not compliant to IEEE are still very similar in action.

The PS2 deviates slightly on some defined calculations. The Multiplication is flawed for instance, due to them using a booth and wallace approach (Method which cost a LOT LESS to manufacture) that was dropping bits in some cases, causing plenty of calculation deviation ( something * 1 NOT ALWAYS equal to something).

Goatman13 · 2024-11-24T09:45:34Z

I would say the main issue came from the fact it was widely assumed the PS2 and PS3 shared the same "float" calculation behaviours, while in actual fact, they do not.

That was the plan as far as I know. Probably someone underestimated how important 1:1 implementation was to keep compatibility. PS3 CELL implemented special Altivec/VMX mode to make PPE core vector floats compatible with SPU, but also with PS2 emulation in mind. Later it turned out that they really miscalculated importance of accurate floating point math in PS2 emulation. To the point that first fixes in ~2008-2010 were strictly per game, like "on this pc, add 0x01 to this reg, and get back execution to recompiler". Soft floats, including accurate DIV, came later, when new people were hired. :) In the end only VU1 is using real SPE, everything else use PPE VMX compatibility mode.

Current Div/Sqrt system is exactly like a PS3 emulating the PS2 in therms of results, which means way closer (and fixes the VAST majority of games), but still one bit off in some edge cases.

Add/Sub/Mul are PS2 perfect.

And that's indeed a great outcome. Nice work. :)

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[FPU] - Uses Soft-Float comparison.

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More accurate approach to compare.

[VUops] - Implements accurate SQRT/RSQRT + removal of TriAce hack.

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