Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023

[felixfontein]

This tracks the Community Working Group meetings for Ansible. Continues the 2022 agenda in #645.

• Meeting logs
• Invite (import by URL): ics file
• Location:
  • Matrix Room: #community:ansible.com
  • IRC Channel: #ansible-community

[felixfontein]

2023-01-04

Agenda #645 19:00:01)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2022 #645 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

(Undoing) removals of google.cloud and cyberark.pas 19:06:10)

• google.cloud 1.1.2 has been released and the collection seems to be maintained again
• cyberark.pas has not seen any update despite a promise that something will happen, though this could also just be because of winter vacation time

adding a requirement to collection requirements for maintainers to subscribe to the news-for-maintainers repo and have this info in README for future maintainers (andersson007___, 19:17:24)

open floor

Actions

• @mariolenz Create vote to re-add google.cloud to Ansible 8 when Ansible 7.2.0 has been released with a new google.cloud version

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-04/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-04-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-04/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-04-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-04/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-04-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-01-11

Agenda #679 18:59:56)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• cyberark.pas seems to have some activity again (https://github.com/cyberark/ansible-security-automation-collection/commits/master)
• There is a vote on removing community.fortios from Ansible: [Vote ended on 2023-01-16] Remove community.fortios from Ansible 9 ansible-community/community-topics#179
• dellemc.powerflex will get included in Ansible if there is no objection until tomorrow (Include dellemc.powerflex collection in the ansible package (no vote's needed, will get included by default on 2023-01-12 if no objections) ansible-community/community-topics#177)
• Please take a look at the proposed roadmap for Ansible 8: adds roadmap for Ansible 8 ansible#79598 ([associated vote ended on 2023-02-09] Ansible 8 Roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#176)

Central Location for Release Blockers, and defining what they are (felixfontein, 19:20:10)

• Central Location for Release Blockers ansible-community/community-topics#178

How to mark collections as unmaintained

open floor

• https://beta-galaxy.ansible.com/
• The roles UI is now available on the 'production' galaxy-beta: https://beta-galaxy.ansible.com/
• https://beta-galaxy-dev.ansible.com/ui/repo/community/community/zabbix/docs/ ... note the bug

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-11/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-11-18.59.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-11/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-11-18.59.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-11/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-11-18.59.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-01-18

Agenda #679 19:00:22)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• [Vote ended on 2023-01-24] Remove community.google from Ansible 9 ansible-community/community-topics#181 and [Vote ended on 2023-01-24] Remove community.skydive from Ansible 9 ansible-community/community-topics#182 are active votes (removal of community.google and community.skydive from Ansible 9)

Roadmap for Ansible 8

• adds roadmap for Ansible 8 ansible#79598
• [associated vote ended on 2023-02-09] Ansible 8 Roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#176

Keep cyberark.pas in Ansible 8?

• [associated vote ended on 2023-01-26] Keep cyberark.pas in Ansible 9? ansible-community/community-topics#180

Definition and workflow for Ansible release blockers 19:17:26)

• Add release blocker WF ansible-community/ansible-build-data#194

Improve Ansible PyPI README

• [associated vote ended on 2023-01-26] ansible PyPI description ansible-community/community-topics#173
• Improve ansible PyPI README ansible-community/antsibull-build#474

Docsite related things

• Opening up the docs.ansible publishing process ansible-community/community-topics#174
• Mapping user journeys for the Ansible docsite ansible-community/community-topics#175
• Please take a look at docsite personas defined here: https://hackmd.io/pZb5w5JFRQW3RJ73n23tlw?both#/
• Please also feel free to look at the demo docsite here and provide feedback. this might help demonstrate how we're putting those personas to use: https://people.redhat.com/dnaro/docsite-demo/

open floor

Actions

• @felixfontein start a vote on keeping cyberark.pas
• @felixfontein merge Add release blocker WF ansible-community/ansible-build-data#194 if nobody objects until the end of the meeting
• @felixfontein create vote for merging Improve ansible PyPI README ansible-community/antsibull-build#474 as-is (design principles can be discussed and adjusted in a follow-up if someone wants to create a proposal)

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-18/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-18-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-18/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-18-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-18/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-18-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-01-25

Agenda #679 19:00:21)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• A new collection inclusion request is available for review New collection: Scaleway ansible-collections/ansible-inclusion#54 Let's include something :)
• There is a vote to keep cyberark.pas in Ansible 9: [Vote ended on 2023-01-26] Cancel removal process for cyberark.pas from Ansible 9 (i.e. keep it in Ansible 9) ansible-community/community-topics#185
• There is a vote to update the PyPI description of the ansible package (now that 2.9 is EOL): [Vote ended on 2023-01-26] Update Ansible PyPI description ansible-community/community-topics#186

Ansible 8 Roadmap planning

• [associated vote ended on 2023-02-09] Ansible 8 Roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#176
• PR: adds roadmap for Ansible 8 ansible#79598

Can we create a way to see all 'easyfix' issues across ansible collections and projects? (felixfontein, 19:18:12)

• Can we create a way to see all 'easyfix' issues across ansible collections and projects? ansible-community/community-topics#187

Add Matrix room shield to ReadMe

• Add Matrix room shield to ReadMe ansible-community/community-topics#114
• https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.mysql
• https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/pull/114/files#diff-b335630551682c19a781afebcf4d07bf978fb1f8ac04c6bf87428ed5106870f5

Moving content from c.g/c.n to collections outside Ansible (felixfontein, 19:39:39)

• Should we allow moving content out of community.general and community.network to collections that are not part of Ansible? ansible-community/community-topics#167
• [Vote ended on 2023-02-08] Ansible docsite personas ansible-community/community-topics#189

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-25/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-25-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-25/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-25-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-01-25/ansible_community_meeting.2023-01-25-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-02-01

Agenda #679 19:00:12)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Tentative schedule for Ansible Contributor Summit 2023.02 on Feb 8 is available at https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/cs202302-planning#Tentative-Schedule-time-in-CET
• We're thinking of having an Ansible Community Social on Feb 7 in Ghent (as part of CfgMgmtCamp/Contributor Summit), please indidate your interest here by Feb 4 https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/cs202302-planning#Ansible-Social-Tuesday-Feb-7
• There have been several package inclusion requests recently submitted for review. To learn more, see the collection inclusion workflow. Please help the community extend the package!
• We will have an Ansible stand during FOSDEM (Feb 4-5) in building K level 1
• There is a new vote on cancelling the removal process of google.cloud from Ansible since it's now again maintained: [Vote ended on 2023-02-14] Cancel removal process for google.cloud from Ansible 8 (i.e. keep it in Ansible 8) ansible-community/community-topics#195
• #info Please remember the other community votes for the Ansible 8 roadmap ([Vote ended on 2023-02-09] Ansible 8 Roadmap ansible-community/community-topics#194) and personas for the Ansible docsite ([Vote ended on 2023-02-08] Ansible docsite personas ansible-community/community-topics#189)!
• Next week's community meeting will not happen because Contributor Summit is a few hours earlier. Of course you can still hang out in #ansible-community / #community:ansible.com and have a nice chat :)
• Ansible 7.2.0 got released! Announcement: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/7QO1vXfPkic/m/GK4urSZmBAAJ

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-01-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-01-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-01-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-02-15

Agenda #679 19:00:11)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Please note that there are over twenty PRs in community.general to add basic attributes to all modules. If you have time to review some of them, please take a look at this list: https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.general/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Adocs_only

Role or playbook-focused collections: include in the Ansible or not? (felixfontein, 19:15:59)

• Role or playbook-focused collections: include in the Ansible or not? If yes, which criteria/requirements to use? ansible-community/community-topics#197
• Future of the "ansible" package ansible-community/community-topics#82
• https://www.redhat.com/en/engage/project-wisdom ... "It will be accessed as a feature within the Ansible extension for Visual Studio Code, and will work with new and existing documents."

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-15-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-15-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-02-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-02-15-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-03-01

Agenda #679 19:01:04)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Ansible Contributor Summit 2023.02 playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0FmYCf7ocrY-uMXYlnbCI2jZz8rDM8zP
• #info Ansible track @ Cfgmgmtcamp 2023 playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0FmYCf7ocrZkU2-l-dxveX9woxZUe1ic
• gwmngilfen-work blogged on the Ansible community strategy for 2023: https://ansible.github.io/community/posts/state_of_the_community_2023.html
• Ansible 7.3.0 has been Released! https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/t9ohIIqRkLU
• ansible-core 2.14.3 and 2.13.8 have been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/yokousquPLU

Semantic markup for Ansible documentation

• Discussion: [Associated vote ended on 2023-03-09] Include semantic markup in plugin DOCUMENTATION strings ansible-community/community-topics#53
• Specification: https://hackmd.io/VjN60QSoRSSeRfvGmOH1lQ
• PRs: Add new semantic markup support to ansible-doc text output and to validate-modules ansible#74937 Add new semantic markup support ansible-community/antsibull-docs#4
• example PR: Use semantic markup ansible-collections/community.dns#23

How (felixfontein, 19:19:09)

• Discussion: How to mark private plugins in a collection (with a proposal and implementation) ansible-community/community-topics#154

Ansible Community Strategy 2023

• The Ansible Community Team has been sharing and discussing (at events and online) some of our thoughts and ideas around the state of the community and what we'd like to do
• https://ansible.github.io/community/posts/state_of_the_community_2023.html
• Please add your thoughts to the two main proposals in their respective issues
• DNS & Website [associated vote ended on 2023-03-21] Community Plans part 1 - DNS & Website ansible-community/community-topics#201
• Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-01-19.01.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-01-19.01.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-01/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-01-19.01.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-03-08

Agenda #679 19:00:27)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• There is a community vote ending on 2023-03-09 (tomorrow!): How should private modules/plugins be marked? [Vote ended on 2023-03-09] How should private modules/plugins be marked? ansible-community/community-topics#204
• There is a community vote ending on 2023-03-09 (tomorrow!): Start implementing Semantic Markup in Ansible Documentation [Vote ended on 2023-03-09] Start implementing Semantic Markup in Ansible Documentation ansible-community/community-topics#205
• There is a community vote ending on 2023-03-21 (~two weeks): Adopt a new upstream community website [Vote ended on 2023-03-21] Adopt a new upstream community website ansible-community/community-topics#208
• There is a community discussion about Community Plans - Discourse Forum, please share your thoughts, and a vote will be created soon [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202
• [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202
• docsite redesign underway! We could do with people poking around, giving feedback, picking issues to help fix etc - https://github.com/ansible/jinja-docsite/issues
• you can see the WIP site at https://ansible.github.io/jinja-docsite/

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-08/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-08-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-08/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-08-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-08/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-08-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-03-15

Agenda #679 19:00:04)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Please vote on "Adopt a new upstream community website", voting ends 2023-03-21 [Vote ended on 2023-03-21] Adopt a new upstream community website ansible-community/community-topics#208
• Please vote on "Use a forum to build project-wide participation & discussion", voting ends 2023-03-27 [Vote ended on 2023-03-27] Use a forum to build project-wide participation & discussion ansible-community/community-topics#211
• The community voted to try to include semantic markup into ansible-core 2.15 / Ansible 8 ([Associated vote ended on 2023-03-09] Include semantic markup in plugin DOCUMENTATION strings ansible-community/community-topics#53 (comment))
• It's two weeks until the ansible-core 2.15 feature freeze: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/docs/docsite/rst/roadmap/ROADMAP_2_15.rst#release-phase

Semantic markup

Community site

• Discussions: [associated vote ended on 2023-03-21] Community Plans part 1 - DNS & Website ansible-community/community-topics#201 and [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-15-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-15-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-15/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-15-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-03-22

Agenda #679 19:00:44)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• ansible-core 2.15 / Ansible 8 will have basic sematic markup support as the two main PRs have been merged! There are still some aspects missing, but it's on a good way :)
• If you are looking at integrating semantic markup into your project (that processes Ansible docs), you might be interested in some dependency-free libraries for Python and TypeScript/JavaScript which parse and transform Ansible markup (including semantic markup): https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull-docs-parser/ (Python),
• https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull-docs-ts/ (TypeScript/JS)
• ansible-core devel has improved retry logic for the galaxy api. for those running into issues in CI, please try this out. ansible-galaxy collection install retry improvements ansible#80180

Moving the community meeting to 18:00 UTC (felixfontein, 19:09:21)

• switch community meeting to 18:00 UTC #691

Static site generator for the Ansible community web presence (felixfontein, 19:14:21)

• Discussion: [associated vote ended on 2023-03-30] Static site generator for the Ansible community web presence ansible-community/community-topics#210
• https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/new-website-concept

open floor

• Please chime in on the discussion at community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement ansible-community/community-topics#212 regarding the merger of community.grafana and grafana.grafana and the CLA

Actions

• @felixfontein merge switch community meeting to 18:00 UTC #691

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-22/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-22-19.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-22/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-22-19.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-22/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-22-19.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-03-29

Agenda #679 18:00:03)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• There's an active vote on: "Static site generator for the Ansible community web presence" ending tomorrow ([associated vote ended on 2023-03-30] Static site generator for the Ansible community web presence ansible-community/community-topics#210)
• A new collection microsoft.ad will be included in Ansible if nobody objects until tomorrow (Include microsoft.ad collection in the ansible package (no vote's needed, will get included by default on 2023-03-30 if no objections) ansible-community/community-topics#217)
• Ansible 7.4.0 has been released yesterday (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/ILuT3R7XGQ4)
• ansible-core 2.14.4 has been released on Monday (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/Hgx-Mwqamgw)
• community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement ansible-community/community-topics#212 is also tagged for today; are there other/more things folks want to discuss today?
• The antsibull* projects are changing from poetry-core to hatchling as a build system

Enforce collection tagging policy as a release blocker 18:08:44)

• Discussion: Enforce collection tagging policy as a release blocker ansible-community/community-topics#218
• https://paste.sr.ht/~gotmax23/7c82fb4ca7cd5d12971a6bc34b9ac06630f0ff32

community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement (felixfontein, 18:33:46)

• Discussion: community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement ansible-community/community-topics#212
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer_Certificate_of_Origin
• https://developercertificate.org/

open floor

Actions

• @gotmax23 Update the release playbook to run antsibull validate-tags. Make the command fail the playbook on antsibull >= 7.X.0 (where X is the next version) and make it informational otherwise
• @gotmax23 Add a list of collections to ignore errors for in ansible-build-data
• @gotmax23 document the process
• @gotmax23 submit draft PRs and wait for SC approval

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-29/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-29-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-29/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-29-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-03-29/ansible_community_meeting.2023-03-29-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-04-05

Agenda #679 18:00:08)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• ansible-core 2.15.0b1 has been released
• new docs landing pages are up at docs.ansible.com ! Feedback welcome
• What tools should we include on the Tools and programs page in docs? ansible-community/community-topics#220 is the one about tools

What tools should we include on the Tools and programs page in docs? (felixfontein, 18:11:18)

• Discussion: What tools should we include on the Tools and programs page in docs? ansible-community/community-topics#220
• Ansible 2.10+ support MSDehghan/AnsiblePlugin#22
• Support for Fully Qualified Collection Names MSDehghan/AnsiblePlugin#18 (comment)
• https://github.com/jdauphant/awesome-ansible

open floor

• we'd like to ask you all to review new community website MVP document https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/new-website-concept , any feedback will be much appreciated!

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-05-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-05-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-05-18.00.log.html

[samccann]

• Create Ansible 9 roadmap. Discussion: [Associated vote ended on 2023-06-07] Ansible 9 roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#222

[samccann]

2023-04-12

Updates

• Ansible 8.0.0.a1 in the works today, sorry for the delay. Includes ansible-core 2.15.b2
• new docsite is live at docs.ansible.com. Very few people choosing to go to the old site so seems a success!

community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement

• discussion: community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement ansible-community/community-topics#212
• last comment suggests merger won't happen.
• no active votes at this time

Ansible roadmaps

• • created a project roadmap so we track alpha/beta etc releases - https://github.com/orgs/ansible-community/projects/7/views/1
• community.grafana and grafana.grafana merger CLA requirement ansible-community/community-topics#212

not allowing any more CLAs

• discussion: [associated vote ended on 2023-08-30] Consider requiring that collections don't require CLAs ansible-community/community-topics#221
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer_Certificate_of_Origin
• https://paste.sr.ht/~gotmax23/00df144f8b0d12f3017e575e53ad0222fa5239d6
• addo your comments to the issue on whether or not to ban CLAs - [associated vote ended on 2023-08-30] Consider requiring that collections don't require CLAs ansible-community/community-topics#221

Ansible roadmaps

• • created a project roadmap so we track alpha/beta etc releases - https://github.com/orgs/ansible-community/projects/7/views/1
• documentation roadmap will remain the cannonical source. Project board it just to help us keep on track.
• Ansible 9 roadmap work needs to start. discussion: [Associated vote ended on 2023-06-07] Ansible 9 roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#222

Open Floor

• community website WG is actively creating a prototype! If interested in web design/UX - head over to https://matrix.to/#/#website:ansible.com to see what's happening
• ansible 8.0.0a1 was released today: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/MPRZTafDerA
• take a look at Enforce collection tagging policy as a release blocker ansible-community/community-topics#218

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-12/community_working_group.2023-04-12-18.01.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-12/community_working_group.2023-04-12-18.01.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-12/community_working_group.2023-04-12-18.01.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-04-19

Agenda #679 18:00:42)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Version 0.56.0 of antsibull, the ansible package build tool, was released today (https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull/blob/main/CHANGELOG.rst#v0560). This deprecates support for building ansible versions less than 6 and removes a broken test.
• The netapp.aws collection looks unmaintained ([associated vote ended on 2023-05-26] Unmaintained collection: netapp.aws ansible-community/community-topics#223). It's subject to removal from Ansible 10 as per the Collection Removal policy (https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/blob/main/removal_from_ansible.rst#unmaintained-collections).

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-19/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-19-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-19/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-19-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-19/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-19-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-04-26

Agenda #679 18:00:11)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Ansible 7.5.0 has been released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/aPTJUebywAM)
• Ansible 8.0.0a2 has been released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/g4I0JblfSnY)

open floor

Actions

• @gotmax23 to actually follow through and submit antsibull and ansible-build-data PRs to implement the suggested policy for ansible 9.0.0a1 and beyond

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-26-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-26-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-04-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-04-26-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-05-03

Agenda #679 18:00:16)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Ansible 8.0.0a3 has been released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/6d0snXswKkk/).
• New release candidate: ansible-core 2.15.0rc2 https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/FTvF-0llST8
• if someone wants to contribute, there's a vacant PR to finish with a nice feature to core

open floor

• https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/dev_guide/module_lifecycle.html#deprecating-modules-and-plugins-in-a-collection is the docs for deprecating in collections

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-03/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-03-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-03/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-03-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-03/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-03-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-05-10

Agenda #679 18:00:42)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• There's a antsibull-docs 2.0.0a1 prerelease for testing; please note that the sphinx-init subcommand currently generates an unsatisfyable version range, this should get fixed by a 2.0.0a2 release later today.
• the PR to ansible-core adding a new nice feature to ansible-galaxy command is still vacant to finish. If you're interested, put a comment in the PR that you're in .
• Please take a look at the Proposed Ansible Community Forum layout and add your comments/feedback: [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202 (comment)
• https://www.githubstatus.com/ is more colorful today...

ansible-build-data release docs

• Meeting topic: discuss ansible-build-data release documentation ansible-community/community-topics#226

Enforce collection tagging policy as a release blocker 18:18:00)

• Enforce collection tagging policy as a release blocker ansible-community/community-topics#218

Open Floor

• Hotfix for sphinx-init's generated requirements ansible-community/antsibull-docs#149

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-10/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-10-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-10/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-10-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-10/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-10-18.00.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-05-10

Agenda #679

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• ansible 8.0.0b1 was released earlier this week. We are now in feature freeze. https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/uSHiPHPnwqc
• ansible 2.15.0 was released earlier this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/JvWWMWDF5AU

Open Floor

[felixfontein]

2023-05-24

Agenda #679 18:00:04)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• Ansible 7.6.0 has been released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/PAbzRgS1xok)
• Ansible 8.0.0rc1 has been released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/lHMcTcvmaWk). If no blockers are found until the end of this week, 8.0.0 will be released next week (https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/roadmap/COLLECTIONS_8.html)
• While working on the releases we found several serious collection requirement violations: two violations concern breaking changes in minor releases, and one is about a dependency on ansible.netcommon < 5.0.0, while Ansible 8 will contain ansible.netcommon 5.x.y

Ansible 9 roadmap

• Ansible 9 roadmap ansible#80851

open floor

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-24/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-24-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-24/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-24-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-24/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-24-18.00.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-05-31

Salutations

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
• Ansible 8.0.0 was released this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/oc0vyV5X3Og. Thanks to @rooftopcellist for handling the release!

Create a policy for hotfix/bugfix ansible releases

• Create a policy for hotfix/bugfix ansible releases ansible-community/community-topics#231

Open Floor

• please review/approve the Ansible 9 roadmap pr - [Associated vote ended on 2023-06-07] Ansible 9 roadmap planning ansible-community/community-topics#222

Commonly used Ansible CLI flags

• Need suggestions on commonly used flags for Ansible CLI commands ansible-community/community-topics#232

Actions

• @$PERSON to work on putting together a PR to define a formal policy based on what was discussed in the meeting
• @$AN_SC_MEMBER to start a vote on the Ansible 9 roadmap PR

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-31/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-31-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-31/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-31-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-05-31/ansible_community_meeting.2023-05-31-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-06-07

Agenda #679 18:00:00)

Updates

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Move the dates of Ansible Community Package 7.7.0 and 8.1.0 to 2023/06/20 (or 2023/06/22) (felixfontein, 18:05:31)

• Discussion: Move the dates of Ansible Community Package 7.7.0 and 8.1.0 (ETA on 2023/06/20) ansible-community/community-topics#239

Move Ansible Community docs into the ansible-community org (felixfontein, 18:12:02)

• Discussion: Move Ansible Community docs into the ansible-community org ansible-community/community-topics#240
• https://hackmd.io/Ejh1G6hjSO2DFiJXyUpUsw?both#Ansible-ecosystem-on-Read-The-Docs

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-07/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-07-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-07/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-07-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-07/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-07-18.00.log.html

[samccann]

2023-06-14

making community docs a separate project from ansible/ansible

• we're moving docs out of ansible/ansible - Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible ansible-community/community-topics#243
• goal is to eventually get docs under community control. This first step allows us to iterate/experiment w/o being tied to core
• we'll merge docs prs and publish from the new repo (ansible/ansible-documentation) for a two week period to see how it goes
• a related topic on the overall longer term strategy - Move Ansible Community docs into the ansible-community org ansible-community/community-topics#240
• Other updates
• still looking for examples of ansible CLI commands with useful flags to add to docs - Move Ansible Community docs into the ansible-community org ansible-community/community-topics#240

Open Floor

• collection inclusion requests still require a lot of manual work. Need to define requirements in a way that could be tested automatically
• https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible-inclusion/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
• https://hackmd.io/Ejh1G6hjSO2DFiJXyUpUsw
• Add initial release-process.md ansible-community/ansible-build-data#227
• Add initial release-process.md ansible-community/ansible-build-data#227
• looking for reviews ^^

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-14/community_working_group.2023-06-14-18.07.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-14/community_working_group.2023-06-14-18.07.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-14/community_working_group.2023-06-14-18.07.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-06-21

Agenda #679 18:00:02)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• ansible-core 2.14.7 released https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/K1NeeD5Ws_0
• community.general is (probably as the first collection that's included in Ansible) starting to use semantic markup
• ansible-core 2.15.1 released https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/CNsM5RRFMHI

GHA contention

• Discussion: GitHub Actions CI contention ansible-community/community-topics#237

How many versions of ansible(-core|-base) should collections support? (felixfontein, 18:32:23)

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-21/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-21-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-21/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-21-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-21/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-21-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-06-28

Agenda #679 18:00:07)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• ansible 8.1.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-announce/c/iN-qliVQTbU
• Ansible 7.7.0 was released (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/uTZ0dRAjcqY). This is the last 7.x.y release, and Ansible 7 is now EOL.

Having only single Ansible release in one day 18:07:24)

• Discussion: Having only single release in one day ansible-community/community-topics#248

Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible (felixfontein, 18:21:34)

• Discussion: Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible ansible-community/community-topics#243

GitHub Actions CI contention

• GitHub Actions CI contention ansible-community/community-topics#237
• GitHub Actions CI contention ansible-community/community-topics#237 (comment)

Actions

• @$PERSON to update https://github.com/ansible/ansible-documentation/blob/devel/docs/docsite/rst/roadmap/COLLECTIONS_9.rst to mention that releases can be delayed
• @felixfontein create PR to update roadmaps (Clarify that two releases will happen on two separate days, and clarify which one will happen first ansible-documentation#39)

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-28/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-28-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-28/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-28-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-06-28/ansible_community_meeting.2023-06-28-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-07-05

Agenda #679 18:00:48)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a collection support? (felixfontein, 18:12:11)

• Discussion: [associated vote ended on 2023-09-13] Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a (community) collection support? ansible-community/community-topics#245

Open Floor

• Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible ansible-community/community-topics#243 (comment)
• Please consider the community vote on removing netapp.azure from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-07-18] Remove netapp.azure from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#249

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-05-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-05-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-05/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-05-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-07-12

Agenda #679 18:00:00)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• antsibull-docs 2.3.0 has been released with improved rendering and linting of semantic markup!
• the docs/ directory of the ansible/ansible repository has been moved to a separate repository, ansible/ansible-documentation

Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible (felixfontein, 18:11:59)

• Discussion: Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible ansible-community/community-topics#243
• The docs have been split from ansible/ansible to ansible/ansible-documentation, and the Steering Committee has commit rights in that new repository
• Create tagged releases for stable branches ansible-documentation#66
• Use of patchback bot ansible-documentation#41
• ConfigureRemotingForAnsible.ps1 removed from default branch? ansible#81240
• We're looking for feedback in Evaluate and simplify the examples folder ansible-documentation#34 about how folks use the examples from ansible/ansible-documentation that recently moved from ansible/ansible

Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible (felixfontein, 18:32:57)

• Discussion: [Associated vote ended on 2023-08-30] Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible ansible-community/community-topics#251 / first proposal: https://github.com/ansible/ansible-documentation/pull/68/files

Open Floor

• Add initial release-process.md ansible-community/ansible-build-data#227 as been outstanding for a bit. not sure what we want to do with that.

Actions

• @gotmax23 to suggest changes to Update Python requirements for Ansible inclusion requirements document ansible-documentation#68

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-12/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-12-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-12/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-12-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-12/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-12-18.00.log.html

[samccann]

2023-07-19

Updates

• docs lift n shift basically done - Making community docs a separate project to ansible/ansible ansible-community/community-topics#243

role arg_spec order

• Make order of options from argument_specs.yml configurable ansible-community/community-topics#253

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-19/community_working_group.2023-07-19-18.09.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-19/community_working_group.2023-07-19-18.09.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-19/community_working_group.2023-07-19-18.09.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-07-26

Hello world

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
• There are multiple votes in progress (https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/categories/votes-in-progress). SC members, please take a look and vote
• See [associated vote ended on 2023-03-27] Community Plans part 2 - Discourse Forum for project-wide discussion ansible-community/community-topics#202 (comment) for an update from Gwmngilfen on the community Discourse forum proposal
• antsibull-changelog 0.22.0 has been released.
• ansible 8.2.0 has been released https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/3vegFcBVOO4

Open Floor

• oranod and gotmax23 are giving talks (https://flock2023.sched.com/event/1Or6d/ansible-in-fedora-and-epel, https://flock2023.sched.com/event/1PCu2/scaling-the-ansible-community-to-new-heights) at Flock to Fedora. They'll be live streamed and recorded.

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-26-18.02.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-26-18.02.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-07-26/ansible_community_meeting.2023-07-26-18.02.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-08-02

(no announcements)

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-02/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-02-18.04.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-02/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-02-18.04.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-02/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-02-18.04.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-08-09

Hello world

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
• ansible-core 2.14.9rc1 was released this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/xRCIbTnuZEw
• ansible-core 2.15.3rc1 was released this week: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/cZ-2g_kP94Q
• We are having an Ansible Community Day in Berlin next month, on September 20. Registration will be available shortly, however the CFP is now running: https://www.papercall.io/ansible-community-day-berlin-2023
• Please vote on whether to remove community.azure from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-22] Remove community.azure from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#264

Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible

• [Associated vote ended on 2023-08-30] Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible ansible-community/community-topics#251

Actions

• @leogallego to open a community-topic about ansible collection namespace

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-09/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-09-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-09/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-09-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-09/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-09-18.00.log.html

[felixfontein]

2023-08-16

Agenda #679 18:00:01)

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics

Updates

• There is a community vote on removing community.azure from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-22] Remove community.azure from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#264
• There is a community vote on removing hpe.nimble from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-29] Remove hpe.nimble from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#265
• There is a community vote on removing ngine_io.exoscale from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-29] Remove ngine_io.exoscale from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#266
• Ansible Community Day in Berlin, Sept 20, see more details (including CFP) here: https://ansible-community-day-berlin-2023.eventbrite.com/
• Ansible 8.3.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/wzWrUh0sNJ4/
• ansible-core 2.14.9 (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/xHowm-mvWNs/) and 2.15.3 (https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/eVSj3uILbNo/) have been released as well

Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible (felixfontein, 18:10:57)

• [Associated vote ended on 2023-08-30] Update Python requirements for collections included in Ansible ansible-community/community-topics#251

Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a collection support? Proposal for community.general (felixfontein, 18:27:51)

• [associated vote ended on 2023-09-13] Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a (community) collection support? ansible-community/community-topics#245
• Proposal for community.general: [associated vote ended on 2023-09-13] Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a (community) collection support? ansible-community/community-topics#245 (comment)

Community EE

• Community EE ansible-community/community-topics#267

Actions

• @felixfontein create vote on Update Python requirements for Ansible inclusion requirements document ansible-documentation#281
• @felixfontein create a vote for [associated vote ended on 2023-09-13] Which/how many versions of ansible(-base|-core) should a (community) collection support? ansible-community/community-topics#245 (comment) next week if there has been no further feedback

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-16/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-16-18.00.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-16/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-16-18.00.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-16/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-16-18.00.log.html

[gotmax23]

2023-08-23

Hello world

• Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics
• There's an open vote on whether to ban CLAs for collection included in the Ansible package: [Votes ended on 2023-08-30] Ban CLAs for collections included in the Ansible package ansible-community/community-topics#269. Please vote if you haven't already.
• There's an open vote on whether to remove hpe.nimble from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-29] Remove hpe.nimble from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#265
• There's an open vote on whether to remove ngine_io.exoscale from Ansible 10: [Vote ended on 2023-08-29] Remove ngine_io.exoscale from Ansible 10 ansible-community/community-topics#266
• We have extended the CFP deadline for Ansible Community Day Berlin by a week! Proposals are now due Sept 4, check out the details: https://www.papercall.io/ansible-community-day-berlin-2023
• In 2 months, we will have Ansible Contributor Summit 2023.10 in Durham and online! Check out the details and propose discussion topics here: https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/cs202310-planning

Open Floor

• Requesting for new working group for Release Management  #700

Logs

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-23/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-23-18.02.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-23/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-23-18.02.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2023-08-23/ansible_community_meeting.2023-08-23-18.02.log.html

[felixfontein]

2028-08-30

For today's meeting we were using the Matrix meeting bot. It's result can be found here: https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-08-30-1801/218

The bot does not yet support topics or chairing, and we didn't talk about much, so the log is pretty short:

Time	User	Message
2023-08-30 18:01:11	Felix Fontein	^info Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 · Issue #679 · ansible/community · GitHub / Topics: GitHub - ansible-community/community-topics: Discussions for Ansible Meetings
2023-08-30 18:03:53	cybette	^info The community is welcome to discuss the Teams: community building blocks topic!
2023-08-30 18:04:04	cybette	^info Let’s brainstorm our (Ansible community’s) mission statement! Please share your thoughts in the associated topic!

[felixfontein]

2023-09-06

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-09-06-1817/283

Time	User	Message
2023-09-06 18:00:25	Felix Fontein	^info Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 · Issue #679 · ansible/community · GitHub / Topics: GitHub - ansible-community/community-topics: Discussions for Ansible Meetings
2023-09-06 18:01:20	andersson007_	^info please share your thoughts on the community-ee topic on Forum
2023-09-06 18:02:40	Felix Fontein	^info the ansible-core 2.16 feature freeze is in less than two weeks
2023-09-06 18:03:00	cybette	^info Ansible Community Day in Berlin is in 2 weeks! (Sept 20). Register now to reserve your spot: https://ansible-community-day-berlin-2023.eventbrite.com/
2023-09-06 18:04:49	cybette	^info Ansible Contributor Summit will be in Durham (+ online) on October 19. Check out the info and propose topics you’d like to discuss here: Contributor Summit 2023.10 - planning doc - HackMD
2023-09-06 18:06:13	gotmax23	^info How should Galaxy NG refer to roles · Issue #272 · ansible-community/community-topics · GitHub
2023-09-06 18:36:54	Felix Fontein	^info Community EE · Issue #267 · ansible-community/community-topics · GitHub / Community Execution Environment Image: content and location

[felixfontein]

2023-09-20

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-09-20-1822/969

• INFO: Agenda: Community Working Group Meeting Agenda 2023 #679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:38)
• INFO: ansible-core branched a stable-2.16 branch this week, and devel's version was bumped to 2.17. Make sure to update your CI matrixes, adjust your tests/sanity/ignore-*.txt files, etc.! (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:02:57)
• INFO: There is a community vote on adjusting the Ansible 9 pre-release roadmap to better adjust to significant ansible-core releases: [vote ended on 2023-09-27] Adjust Ansible 9 roadmap to better place alpha releases ansible-community/community-topics#274 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:41:17)
• INFO: Let's discuss whether to also allow votes in the forum, or completely switch to the forum, or ...: [associated vote ended on 2023-11-08] Proposal: allow votes to be conducted in the forum ansible-community/community-topics#273 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:42:23)

[felixfontein]

2023-09-27

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-09-27-1814/1156

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:01:33)
INFO: New release beta: ansible-core 2.16.0b1 https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-devel/c/Nds82CwETug (@cybette:ansible.im, 18:02:35)
INFO: Ansible Galaxy is planned to switch to the new galaxy_ng codebase on September 30th, i.e. this Saturday (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:03:08)
INFO: Ansible 9.0.0a1 will likely be released tomorrow. The release got delayed due to a delayed ansible-core 2.16.0b1 release and the need for collection constraints. (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:04:12)
INFO: antsibull-docs 2.4.0 got released with a lot of new features and bugfixes. (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:05:11)
INFO: Topic: where should votes happen? (https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/273) (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:14:52)

[felixfontein]

2023-10-04

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-10-04-1811/1411

Meeting summary

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:34)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:38)
    INFO: Ansible Galaxy has been migrated to the galaxy_ng codebase last Saturday (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:03:31)
    INFO: There are some issues with missing content after the galaxy_ng migration that are blocking ansible package releases. They are tracked in https://issues.redhat.com/browse/AAH-2738. (@gotmax:matrix.org, 18:04:02)
    INFO: ansible-core devel dropped support for Python 2.7 and 3.6 on the controller. It also removed some OS Docker images and VMs from ansible-test, see https://github.com/ansible-collections/news-for-maintainers/issues/60 for details (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:08:53)
TOPIC: Allow votes to be conducted in the forum (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:16:48)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/273 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:16:52)
    HALP: (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:44:21)
    HALP: This is a ^halp test. (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:44:57)
    HALP: (@maxamillion:one.ems.host, 18:45:18)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:46:50)
    AGREED: hmm I might have added some ^agreed or so before... well, too late, I don't think there's an !undo :) (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:47:21)

[felixfontein]

2013-10-18

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-10-18-1850/1784

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:59)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:01:02)
    INFO: ansible-core 2.16.0rc1 and Ansible 9.0.0a3 have been released (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:02:58)

[felixfontein]

2023-10-25

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-10-25-1828/1961

Meeting summary

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:54)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:01:00)
TOPIC: Proposal: allow votes to be conducted in the forum (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:06:41)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/273 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:06:58)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/pull/277 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:07:02)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:19:13)
    INFO: A vote on whether votes and discussions should be moved from github.com/ansible-community/community-topics to the Ansible forum happens in https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/discussions/279 (discussion: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/273) (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:53:44)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@gotmax:matrix.org, 18:54:48)

[felixfontein]

2023-11-01

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-11-01-1815/2083/1

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:29)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:00:34)
    INFO: community.general 8.0.0 has been released to be included in next week's Ansible 9.0.0b1 (feature freeze), potentially with another bugfix release next week (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 18:01:51)
TOPIC: allow votes to be conducted in the forum #273 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 18:08:16)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/273 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 18:08:21)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:46)

[felixfontein]

2023-11-08

https://forum.ansible.com/t/2242

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:00)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:07)
    INFO: Ansible 8.6.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/ZlawQumvUrQ/m/EvCtjtMdAAAJ (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:36)
    INFO: Ansible 9.0.0b1 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/voo5tLTvy0A - this is the 9.0.0 Feature Freeze! (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:54)
    INFO: Ansible 8.6.0 has been released: https://groups.google.com/g/ansible-project/c/ZlawQumvUrQ (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:03:06)
    INFO: The 8.6.0 and 9.0.0b1 releases were the first Ansible releases that were done by community members and not by Red Hat employees 🎉 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:04:06)
    INFO: Collection maintainers's feedback will be much appreciated on [the PR](https://github.com/ansible/ansible-documentation/pull/775) aiming to improve the collection developer experience by adding a general overview of the path to the Developing collections guide. (@cybette:ansible.im, 19:07:29)
    INFO: New Artwork for Matrix Rooms - check out the forum post and share your thoughts: https://forum.ansible.com/t/new-icon-artwork-for-our-matrix-rooms-and-possibly-for-other-things/2207 (@cybette:ansible.im, 19:10:15)
    INFO: We're welcoming the Open Source Infrastructure automation community again right after Fosdem for Config Management Camp in Ghent 5-7 February 2024. CfP is now open! https://cfp.cfgmgmtcamp.org/2024/cfp (@orandon:ansible.im, 19:10:49)
    INFO: Several events with CFPs due this month, check them out in the Ansible Community Forum! https://forum.ansible.com/tags/c/events/8/cfp (@cybette:ansible.im, 19:12:01)
    INFO: Discuss the process for [requesting a Galaxy Namespace](https://forum.ansible.com/t/galaxy-namespace-request/2240) and how to evolve it. Share your opinion in the forum topic. (@leo:ansible.im, 19:12:16)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:26:33)

[felixfontein]

2023-11-15

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-11-15-1937/2408

Meeting summary

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:50)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:53)
    INFO: Ansible 9.0.0rc1 has been released (https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-announcement-ansible-community-package-9-0-0rc1-pre-release/2375). If no serious bug report is filed until this Friday (2023-11-17), 9.0.0 GA will be released next week (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:07)
    INFO: There is an open PR to document the Ansible X.Y.0 release process: https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-build-data/pull/325 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:03:14)
TOPIC: Improving Ansible build to avoid broken releases (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:15:28)
    ACTION: gotmax23 to open a forum post to discuss further about running sanity tests across all collections in the ansible package and which specific tests to run (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:35:58)
    ACTION: gotmax23 to keep working on https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull/pull/556 and other related antsibull code changes to enable this (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:36:24)
    INFO: Consider running import, compile, validate-modules, and ansible-doc (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:37:08)
    INFO: Probably avoid running expensive and cosmetic tests like pylint (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:37:44)
    INFO: Also consider requiring yamllint (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:38:00)
TOPIC: Community meeting agenda (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:41:55)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/stop-using-the-gh-com-ansible-community-meeting-agenda-for-the-community-wg-meeting/2243/7 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:41:58)
    INFO: I think we haven't mentioned this here, so: [ansible-readme.rst: mention the ansible-build-data issue tracker](https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull/pull/554). Maybe you should have at look at this. (@mariolenz:matrix.org, 20:01:12)
TOPIC: open floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 20:01:31)
    INFO: The IRC-matrix relaybot is currently offline, and might be back tomorrow - assuming that Libera.Chat hasn't banned it permanently (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 20:02:07)

[felixfontein]

2023-11-22

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-11-22-1926/2526

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:42)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:45)
    INFO: The IRC <-> Matrix relay is back! Or at least temporarily... (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:01:02)
    INFO: Ansible 9.0.0 and 9.0.1 have been released (https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-announcement-ansible-community-package-9-0-0/2492, https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-announcement-ansible-community-package-9-0-1/2500) (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:01:56)
    INFO: Ansible 9.0.0 has been yanked after it turned out that the Python support indication wasn't complete, and thus not used by older (but not that old) pip versions; 9.0.1 fixes this (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:03:03)
TOPIC: Do we want to allow group pings for collection maintainers? (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:12:12)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-build-data/pull/333 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:12:18)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible-community/ansible-build-data/pull/334 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:12:22)
TOPIC: Release schedule for `ansible` during the holiday season (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:21:21)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-schedule-for-holiday-releases/2471 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:21:30)
TOPIC: Stop using the gh.com/ansible/community meeting agenda (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:39:53)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/stop-using-the-gh-com-ansible-community-meeting-agenda-for-the-community-wg-meeting/2243 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:39:57)

[felixfontein]

2023-11-29

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-11-29-1933/2636

Meeting summary

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:50)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:56)
    INFO: We have two open votes in the forum: https://forum.ansible.com/t/vote-ends-on-2023-12-04-release-schedule-for-holiday-releases/2471/22 and https://forum.ansible.com/t/vote-ends-on-2023-12-05-stop-using-the-gh-com-ansible-community-meeting-agenda-for-the-community-wg-meeting/2243/13 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:01:44)
    INFO: Felix is looking on feedback for a concrete proposal for a new helper collection for filtering output of inventory plugins: https://forum.ansible.com/t/place-for-common-shared-code-for-collections/1721/17 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:03:17)
TOPIC: Testing collections within the ansible package (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:07:05)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/testing-collections-within-the-ansible-package/2455 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:07:08)
    LINK: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/80024 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:16:45)
    INFO: The current `antsibull-build sanity-tests` implementation loops over the collections and writes out a YAML file with results (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:18:55)
    ACTION: gotmax23 to include ansible-test version in sanity test issues (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:31:36)
TOPIC: Maintain Ansible 9 for longer than 6 months (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:32:38)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/maintain-ansible-9-for-longer-than-6-months/2574 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:32:41)
    INFO: We are considering cutting extending maintenance of Ansible 9 from 6 months to 1 year. For the whole cycle, we'd include collection feature releases but not breaking changes (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:50:13)
    INFO: consider referring to this as `extended release` to avoid issues with LTS and other terms (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:56:48)
TOPIC: Open floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:57:00)
    INFO: Consider core release cycles and how frequently to cut ansible 9 releases (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:57:03)
    INFO: Consider docs version switcher (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:57:09)
    INFO: we will archive ansible/community on Jan 5th (@samccann:ansible.im, 19:57:11)
    INFO: the shared ics calendar for all WG meetings has move to https://github.com/ansible-community/meetings/. Update your calendars accordingly (@samccann:ansible.im, 19:57:38)

Meeting ended at 2023-11-29 20:01:07

[felixfontein]

Please note that this issue will only be used until the end of this year (2023). From then on, meeting logs will only be published in the Ansible forum under https://forum.ansible.com/tags/c/workflow/meetbot/16/community-wg.

(This has been decided in https://forum.ansible.com/t/vote-ends-on-2023-12-05-stop-using-the-gh-com-ansible-community-meeting-agenda-for-the-community-wg-meeting/2243/11.)

[felixfontein]

2023-12-06

https://forum.ansible.com/t/meeting-log-ansible-community-working-group-2023-12-06-1916/2773

Meeting summary

INFO: Agenda: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/679 / Topics: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:31)
TOPIC: Updates (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:35)
    INFO: Ansible 9.1.0 has been released: https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-announcement-ansible-community-package-9-1-0/2764 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:00:58)
    INFO: Ansible 8.7.0 has been released: https://forum.ansible.com/t/release-announcement-ansible-community-package-8-7-0/2770 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:01:06)
    INFO: The first two community/SC votes were completed in the Ansible forum! (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:01:32)
    INFO: The Ansible release schedule is now more tightly aligned to the ansible-core release schedule. This means that during the upcoming holiday season there will be no release until the end of January: https://forum.ansible.com/t/vote-ended-on-2023-12-04-release-schedule-for-holiday-releases/2471/33 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:02:48)
    INFO: The meeting notes for this meeting will be posted only in the forum and no longer on GitHub from January 2024 on: https://forum.ansible.com/t/vote-ended-on-2023-12-05-stop-using-the-gh-com-ansible-community-meeting-agenda-for-the-community-wg-meeting/2243/17 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:03:09)
TOPIC: Collection maintainer information for collections included in Ansible (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:08:49)
    LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/collection-maintainer-information-for-collections-included-in-ansible/2562 (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:09:00)
TOPIC: Open Floor (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:45:04)

Meeting ended at 2023-12-06 20:02:54

[gotmax23]

Ansible Community Meeting | Ansible Community Working Group | #community:ansible.com

Meeting started by @gotmax:matrix.org at 2023-12-20 19:02:18

Meeting summary

1. TOPIC: Salutations (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:02:46)
1. INFO: Community WG topics: https://forum.ansible.com/tag/community-wg (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:04:35)
2. INFO: The netapp.storagegrid 1 collection looks unmaintained / abandoned. See https://forum.ansible.com/t/unmaintained-collection-netapp-storagegrid/2811/. (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:05:18)
3. INFO: The netapp.storagegrid collection looks unmaintained / abandoned. See https://forum.ansible.com/t/unmaintained-collection-netapp-storagegrid/2811/. (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:05:26)
4. INFO: The inspur.sm collection looks unmaintained / abandoned. See https://forum.ansible.com/t/unmaintained-collection-inspur-sm/2854. (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:05:54)
2. TOPIC: ansible-build-data CI (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:08:10)
1. LINK: https://github.com/Run CI at least once weekly ansible-community/ansible-build-data#345 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:08:15)
3. TOPIC: Testing collections within the ansible package (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:11:14)
1. LINK: https://forum.ansible.com/t/testing-collections-within-the-ansible-package/2455/15 (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:13:32)
2. ACTION: File an issue about removing the fortinet collections from ansible (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:20:04)
3. ACTION: Create a forum post about removing the fortinet collections from ansible (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:20:18)
4. ACTION: gotmax23 to wait for a bit more feedback and then starting filing issues (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:26:49)
5. ACTION: gotmax23 to regenerate the rendered issues in https://github.com/ansible-community/package-test-results (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:28:35)
4. TOPIC: Open Floor (@gotmax:matrix.org, 19:29:08)
1. INFO: https://github.com/[WIP] Allow to specify module/plugin requirements in a machine-readable way ansible-collections/community.general#7720 is a prototype for a plugin that allows to determine which dependencies to install for a plugin/module (@felixfontein:matrix.org, 19:30:14)

Meeting ended at 2023-12-20 19:40:34

Action items

1. File an issue about removing the fortinet collections from ansible
2. Create a forum post about removing the fortinet collections from ansible
3. gotmax23 to wait for a bit more feedback and then starting filing issues
4. gotmax23 to regenerate the rendered issues in https://github.com/ansible-community/package-test-results

People present (lines said)

1. @gotmax:matrix.org (56)
2. @felixfontein:matrix.org (36)
3. @anwesha:ansible.im (7)
4. @RemindBot:ansible.im (2)
5. @ansibot:ansible.im (2)

Full logs: full_log.txt

[felixfontein]

From now on the meeting logs will only be published on the forum. They are automatically posted in the "MeetingBot Logs" category under the "community-wg" tag: https://forum.ansible.com/tags/c/workflow/meetbot/16/community-wg